1999 Ford Escort Zx2 Flasher Relay Diagram
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I need to replace my flasher relay. Can anyone point to which relay it is so I can pull the old one and install the new one?
Thanks!
John
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Escorts with OBD 1 have a green box Escorts with OBD II have a much smaller black box what year is yours?
Violence isn't the answer, it's the question. The answer is YES.
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97-up have a yellow or blue relay module which does turn signals and I believe hazards too. if you have a yellow box replace it with a yellow box, blue replace with blue.
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The relays on the 3rd gen are right under the driver side dash above the clutch pedal. The platform they are on is facing upwards making it so you cannot see the relays. You have to remove some funky plastic bolt to move the platform and access the relays.
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Thanks Fellas! Yes it's a third gen wagon. I want to replace the stock flasher with an LED equipped one. Unfortunately it's black!
I'll drop it down and look for the blue or yellow relay when the LED gets here.
Thanks Again!
John
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So the relay I ordered just arrived.
I looked under the dash and saw this:
There is a bolt waaaaay up there that seems to hold the panel. I'm sure there must be another somewhere but are these the bolts that I need to remove so that I can drop the relay panel? I assume the yellow or blue relay that was mentioned previous is there or is the relay behind either the yellow or blue relay hold pictured on the left side of the photo?
Also, what is the black plug with the green clip on top of it supposed to be connected to?
Off topic, but the red wire in the picture going through the firewall.....I assume that is where the clutch goes through? There is a mount to the side that you can see in the pic. I assume this is where the clutch pedal mounts to?
John
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Yeah, you have a black nut at the top and a weird plastic nut up on the firewall. with them off you pull the whole thing down and away from the firewall. You can then flip the whole thing to see the relays.
That hanging connector is for the clutch position sensor. Clutch pedal does mount to that bracket but looks like you are missing some sheet metal for the clutch sensor.
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Yeah, you have a black nut at the top and a weird plastic nut up on the firewall.
Is this the weird nut on the firewall that you speak of? What is the easiest way to get it off?
John
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Yes, I used an adjustable or a stubby ratchet wrench.
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Yes, I used an adjustable or a stubby ratchet wrench.
I've tried a long flat blade screwdriver on the plastic nut but all it does is spin. What am I doing wrong? Is it supposed to be clocked to a particular position then it comes out? Is it threaded or is it more of a clip as was mentioned previous that needs to be in a particular position for it to come out? Do I need to unbolt it from underneath the wheel house? I didn't see anything on the firewall that looked like the other side of it.
John
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I removed the top metal nut first. Then just turned the plastic one until it came off.
You may need to pull the relays toward you in order to release the plastic one.
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I removed the top metal nut first. Then just turned the plastic one until it came off.
You may need to pull the relays toward you in order to release the plastic one.
OK.....is the plastic one threaded? It doesn't seem like it. Since it was spinning I assume it's a clip of sorts?
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I ran outside real quick to verify. The plastic nut is threaded. To get the relays down you first take the top nut off. You can then pull the tray downwards until it clears the stud for the top nut. Then you can just yank the the tray toward you. The threaded part of the plastic is flexible.
This goes onto a threaded stud.
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I ran outside real quick to verify. The plastic nut is threaded. To get the relays down you first take the top nut off. You can then pull the tray downwards until it clears the stud for the top nut. Then you can just yank the the tray toward you. The threaded part of the plastic is flexible.
This goes onto a threaded stud.
Thanks Brother! Actually, in my frustration, I just kind of yanked on it after you had said something about having to pull on it and it popped out! LOL!
After having pulled down the relay panel I'm still not sure which one it is as they are all black. There is a larger relay that I suspect is the flasher relay combined with the hazard light relay. It's a 5 pin relay. I've looked for an LED version of it but I would imagine that not a lot of cars used this style combo flasher relay as a google search yielded me nothing. Google keeps telling me an 8 pin relay for a Toyota/Lexus will work. From what I could see? No.....
I can do one of two things. Leave the stock flasher in their and splice in resistors on every line that will have a replacement LED or pick up separate flasher and hazard relays and wire them directly to the pins on the panel. I'd prefer to have an LED flasher instead of cutting into the loom.
John
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Ok they should be on the far side of the tray away from the plastic nut. There should be a blue and yellow connector right next to each other. Those are your flashers.
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AHA! Ok......duh! I should have known when I saw them but I was under the impression they were on the main board. Do you know which is which? I have a blue and a yellow. Will it say on the actual flasher?
John
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The yellow is for the rear lights. Blue is for front. The stock flasher is actually one larger relay that plugs into both sockets.
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The yellow is for the rear lights. Blue is for front. The stock flasher is actually one larger relay that plugs into both sockets.
I pulled down the Relay panel now that I have the correct information and this is what I get:
The red circle was what I thought was the flasher relay. It has 5 pins. I went ahead and ordered both volumes of the shop manual along with the EVTM manual so that I don't have to keep asking dumb questions! LOL! Once I receive my manuals I should be able to tell what that does along with all the other relays.
This is what, I'm assuming, you are talking about as far as being the flasher unit.
It has, what looks like, 2 separate flasher relays. One for the front lights and one for the rear as you say. It has a blue dot on the casing which is where the blue clip was attached to so I am assuming that is the "blue" relay that controls the front lights.
After having almost broken the casing I was able to remove the "relays" and found this:
So it would seem that it isn't two relays but a combo relay. I highly doubt anyone would carry this relay in LED form so I'm going to talk to my friend who is very good with this type of electronics and see if there is a way to solder in a resistor to make it work with LED's so that I don't have to splice in resistors on every line that will get LED's. If not then I guess that's what I'm going to have to do if I want to install LED lighting on the car.
On a side note, I plugged the flasher relay I bought into the blue plug to see if I could use independent flashers for each plug and, with the turn lever in neutral position, it blinks the right turn signal.
When I move the lever it doesn't do anything but continue to flash the right turn signal regardless of the position of the turn signal lever so I have to assume that this is the wrong flasher. Hopefully my friend will be able to figure it out.
John
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Well for the side markers n the front you do not need resistors. At least... if you still have filament bulbs on the center markers. Does the 3rd wagon have separate rear flashers bulbs? I forget.
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Well for the side markers n the front you do not need resistors. At least... if you still have filament bulbs on the center markers. Does the 3rd wagon have separate rear flashers bulbs? I forget.
What I'm trying to do is use switchbacks instead of incan bulbs. I can wire the switchbacks to the ignition switch to act like DRL's but when I use my turn signal they will switch to amber color and blink in amber. Once I turn signal off they will revert back to white DRL's. One of the reasons I'm trying to do it from the flasher is so I can use the switchbacks on both the inner and outer turn signals on the 3rd gen headlights instead of having to splice in resistors for each wire. At least that's the idea.....
John
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